Footnote YT29

YT29.  We have a dash of ancient Greek Pragmatism from Laws by Plato (Benjamin Jowett translation):

Athenian stranger

The view which identifies the pleasant and the pleasant and the just and the good and the noble has an excellent moral and religious tendency. And the opposite view is most at variance with the designs of the legislator, and is, in his opinion, infamous; for no one, if he can help, will be persuaded to do that which gives him more pain than pleasure. But as distant prospects are apt to make us dizzy, especially in childhood, the legislator will try to purge away the darkness and exhibit the truth; he will persuade the citizens, in some way or other, by customs and praises and words, that just and unjust are shadows only, and that injustice, which seems opposed to justice, when contemplated by the unjust and evil man appears pleasant and the just most unpleasant; but that from the just man's point of view, the very opposite is the appearance of both of them.

Cleinius, a Cretan

True.

Athenian

And which may be supposed to be the truer judgment -- that of the inferior or of the better soul?

Cleinus

Surely, that of the better soul.

Athenian

Then the unjust life must not only be more base and depraved, but also more unpleasant than the just and holy life?

Cleinius

That seems to be implied in the present argument.

Athenian

And even supposing this were otherwise, and not as the argument has proven, still the lawgiver, who is worth anything, if he ever ventures to tell a lie to the young for their good, could not invent a more useful lie than this, or one which will have a better effect in making them do what is right, not on compulsion but voluntarily.

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